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Reply #6 - Jun 5th, 2015 at 6:30pm
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Tim,

Oh, how I'd love to have a long discussion with you on this -- I am familiar with Occam's razor theories -- Wikpedia doesn't reall do it justice though:
"The principle states that among competing hypotheses that predict equally well, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. Other, more complicated solutions may ultimately prove to provide better predictions, but—in the absence of differences in predictive ability—the fewer assumptions that are made, the better."

The key is "the fewer assumptions"  ~smile~   I have uttered this many times in verse and in threads... the word IDEA as the "ID" in it --- mix that with my favorite definition of poetry by Archibald MacLeish: "A poem should mean but be."

My free-fall verse always, believe it or not, has some strict structure beyond the grasping for purpose -- but I don't always succeed.

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Reply #5 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 4:18am
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Norm,

the author is dead was a reference to Roland Barthes' "death of the author" argument.

Ideas settling determinant creates a distance between words and ideas, but also between ideas as almost platonic, detached things from the words. As if the vehicle of the metaphor were detached from the tenor, so to speak. In this poem's reasoning, words are acknowledged as symbols; consequently, the determinant could be anything, but here it is "ideas." 

Occum and his razor are rolling over in their respective graves.

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Reply #4 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 1:27am
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Tim wrote on Jun 2nd, 2015 at 4:36pm:
Norm,

But the author's dead, right? The words manifest from the ether onto the page.
Sorry, a little leftover lit theory snarkiness.
Not quite dead, Tim

"[I]deas settling determinant" is a sneaky line. It's not ideas are the determinant, nor an easy synonymous phrase, but rather determinant is distanced from ideas, almost mathematically so.
Not sure what you mean here, Tim

I like, in the play that this kind of poetry permits the reader, how ee is firmly resting upon the word "authoring," especially after the breaking loose of "edge" and the rending of "thee."
There is purpose in the free-fall placements and took a lot more time than the final visual may show the reader.

...and a key word is "settling' and all its duality

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Reply #3 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 1:22am
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nas wrote on Jun 2nd, 2015 at 5:32am:
I smiled at the nod to ee Cummings both in words and shape.  Also like the impermanence of falling words


Kinda obvious with what I did with the word "thee"  ~smile~ 

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Norm,

But the author's dead, right? The words manifest from the ether onto the page.
Sorry, a little leftover lit theory snarkiness.

"[I]deas settling determinant" is a sneaky line. It's not ideas are the determinant, nor an easy synonymous phrase, but rather determinant is distanced from ideas, almost mathematically so.

I like, in the play that this kind of poetry permits the reader, how ee is firmly resting upon the word "authoring," especially after the breaking loose of "edge" and the rending of "thee."

Namaste,
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I smiled at the nod to ee Cummings both in words and shape.  Also like the impermanence of falling words
  
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Jun 2nd, 2015 at 2:47am
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authoring

words
     falling
     impermanent


tottering on the  e
                                dge
     not posturing


ideas
   settling
     determinant


reaching
     towards th ee
     while authoring

  
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