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Reply #10 - Nov 5th, 2010 at 7:37am
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The emotion is so real and near the surface it is almost daring the reader, 'to read"it--let alone critique it...I cannot touch the personal, so will make simple observations:

1. title?
    is the need to sleep what carries the poem?

2. dare implies a reason for not wanting; followed by "catch 
a dream or two" is more fantasy-like especially f/b " that brought him to my side, "

3.  The poem is trying to pack alot into little; sequence, image and reasoning problems   

         still healthy  strong, a rope of muscled calf 
          against my own. Not long ago, his bride

              of years, I found a tumor in my breast.

            
4. He told me I could never die. I lived. NOT SURE OF PLACEMENT     
   I lived and then was given this dark test of love
   
To wish him dead, to mourn, to give him up before he’s gone, to stay awake, to stay awake.
I feel a big???  for this whole section


5.I watched his belly grow --I too find the word "belly" unsettling which is why I feel it should stay....

6. I watched his strong legs wither, take the form of brittle sticks.
perhaps stick to the rope thinning, wearing, weakening, losing mass and tone, becoming limp, atrophied...


 His breaths would go 
 and come and go, the     feathered wings of death. More like talons or something indicating a struggle to WISH HIM to CEASE his torment yet at the same time wanting to comfort be there though exhausted


I slept, I slept. I missed that sighing ???   FINAL breath.
perhaps the chance to say good-bye, or some future connect or lasting bond type ?? remark
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Reply #9 - Oct 12th, 2010 at 2:09am
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Cyn,

I found it after posting. I didn't want others to influence my opinion. Interesting, I think I'm farther off the mark because I don't write met poems. Ah well, at the end of the day, the hat still fills up with change, no?

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Reply #8 - Oct 11th, 2010 at 5:51pm
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PS I'll be back to do my bit. Ran out of time, but I'll come back and comment on some poems here
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 11th, 2010 at 6:11am
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I did not want this to scream sonnet, though I had hoped it would at least whisper it.

In your final analysis you got this Tim. Simple language for a complicated topic. This juxtaposition layered over a sonnet is what I wanted. 

(I am not sure why I like sonnets so much, but I do. It is probably the meter - I don't care that much about the rhyme. Maybe I should turn to blank verse)

At any rate your and Nas' observations are important to me and I will look at further tweaking.

BTW it is in Met on the Sphere
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 11th, 2010 at 3:48am
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Cyn,
Adding in: I just corrected some serious mistakes in my crit and I'm sure there's more. Please forgive me. I'm recovering from a bender of Spanish study groups today and alcohol last night. You'd think I was 21.

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Reply #5 - Oct 11th, 2010 at 3:42am
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Hey Cyn,
I'm back. 

Cyn wrote on Oct 10th, 2010 at 12:18am:
Tim
LOL yes. It is up at the Sphere, can't get any tougher than that.
Is it? I don't see it there; but it doesn't matter, I prefer to talk here---stopping home for a short visit.



To Sleep

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I dared to close my eyes to sleep, to catch 
a dream or two that brought him to my side,


---I'm torn by this opening. To sleep in L1, returned directly to "I slept, I slept" at this piece's conclusion is a nice echo, so to speak. However,
the title gives me what I need to know, while the 'to sleep' in the first line seems to dilute the whole opening. It may read more ominous if the line gave us...
 

I dared to close my eyes, to catch...

'that brought' in S1L2 is a tad archaic in requirement, but the whole nauseating thematical dance seems to be offset by the IP's dance. Like carnival music in horror movies.

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still healthy, strong, a rope of muscled calf 
against my own. Not long ago, his bride


---strong and muscled are synonymous, no? Muscled calf is the stronger choice. Still healthy rope of muscled calf would be the more conversational take on that line; but this is IP, so I'll say that strong needs a substitute.

I really like the repetition of two/to giving emphasis on the latter to soften what would normally look like an inversion.

Catch/calf don't work for me. Everything is so obvious in near and complete rhyme that I don't see the justification for this stretch.


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of years, I found a tumor in my breast. 
He told me I could never die. I lived. 

I lived and then was given this dark test 
of love. To wish him dead, to mourn, to give 

him up before he’s gone, to stay awake, 
to stay awake. I watched his belly grow


---the repetition of 'to stay awake' sets up the concluding line I remarked about in the outset of this crit, but all these commas
and infinitives and not a real sentence, but a list. Maybe "of love" should be succeeded by a colon, instead of a period?


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and grow; I watched his strong legs wither, take 
the form of brittle sticks. His breaths would go 

and come and go, the feathered wings of death. 
I slept, I slept. I missed that sighing breath.


---I know what the template is in this poem, but in all fairness: I slept, I slept may slide for some. I'm going to call it, indicating the need for a semi-colon.



Again, the choice of strong rhyme and and steady IP with almost all monosyllabic words with a sprinkling of two syllables
gives this shakespearean sonnet a strange twist. Methinks, the purpose of not rhyming a-a was to throw the reader off the scent? I'd have to read what far more capable poets would say about that, for I am not one. 

I can see some saying: awake/take and death/breate are too unoriginal. This poet would say that this is mixing styles into one form. In fairness, I read this three times before I saw the whole as a sonnet and not just meter. I needed the tune up, thanks.

Ultimately, the anachronistc juxtaposition of style over the theme of love and the dying defies the modernistic notion of metre deceptively crafted to reproduce conversational tone, while still condensing imagery whereever it can be introduced successfully (mom says: that's my whole week's allowance in this one sentence. I will have to stick to wording that mimics this poem until Friday). I am a big believer of risk and this poem does it. I still think some tweaking is required, but this free-verser thinks it's nigh-compleat. Well done!


Namasté,
~Tim
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Re: To Sleep
Reply #4 - Oct 10th, 2010 at 5:37am
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That's okay.  I just needed to make sure before jumping in with my muddy boots.

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I dared to close my eyes to sleep, to catch
a dream or two that brought him to my side,

still healthy, strong, a rope of muscled calf  <<---"a rope of muscled calf" is a great image but makes "strong" seem unnecessary.  Perhaps another image to show the strength of the rest of his body
against my own. Not long ago, his bride  <<---"not long ago, his bride of years, I" reads a little awkwardly.  Do you need "his bride of years"?  It is like looking at yourself from a distance. Does the time matter?  Isn't the main thing that when you had the tumour he said.....?

of years, I found a tumor in my breast.
He told me I could never die. I lived.

I lived and then was given this dark test
of love. To wish him dead, to mourn, to give

him up before he’s gone, to stay awake,
to stay awake. I watched his belly grow <<--this is just personal but I hate the word belly.  To me it is an ugly word 

and grow; I watched his strong legs wither, take  <<--I wonder about coming back to your former image of the rope.  
the form of brittle sticks. His breaths would go <<--"take the form of" takes away a bit from the image, while something like "become" seems stronger.

and come and go, the feathered wings of death.  <<--"the feathered wings of death"  feels a bit thrown in.  It reads as if the breath is the feathered wings of death, which it isn't.  Maybe expand to create a more complete picture.
I slept, I slept. I missed that sighing breath.  <<--you could put a comma after the second slept and cut out that last "I"  Three so close together is too many.
 

Hope something helps.  Are you planning to submit this somewhere?
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Re: To Sleep
Reply #3 - Oct 10th, 2010 at 12:18am
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Tim
LOL yes. It is up at the Sphere, can't get any tougher than that.

This is a poem for critique nas, don't worry. Emotion in a poem does not necessarily equate to fragileness on the part of the poet. I actually think it is tough to crit because it makes the reader *feel* and it is hard to get past the power of the emotions and actually be able to be critical.

I have had this up under some tough scrutiny elsewhere, but sometimes I get some of the more intuitive reads here.

So thanks for reading it
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 5:33pm
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Cyn,

I'm off to study group, be back later. I don't have an issue with Firebox; you are made of stronger stuff, no?

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Reply #1 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 1:16pm
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Hi Cyn

I'm sorry for your loss and grief which comes across so vividly in this poem.   

I feel a bit uncomfortable critiquing in the firebox style as this is personal and your expression of pain and wonder if I should muddy it with my thoughts.
  
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Oct 8th, 2010 at 7:29pm
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To Sleep

I dared to close my eyes to sleep, to catch 
a dream or two that brought him to my side, 

still healthy, strong, a rope of muscled calf 
against my own. Not long ago, his bride 

of years, I found a tumor in my breast. 
He told me I could never die. I lived. 

I lived and then was given this dark test 
of love. To wish him dead, to mourn, to give 

him up before he’s gone, to stay awake, 
to stay awake. I watched his belly grow 

and grow; I watched his strong legs wither, take 
the form of brittle sticks. His breaths would go 

and come and go, the feathered wings of death. 
I slept, I slept. I missed that sighing breath.
  
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