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Re: In the block of flats
Reply #3 - May 9th, 2008 at 8:56pm
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Hi Pentagonia

I haven't read the other crits so apologies if I repeat some things already suggested.   

You create a vivid picture of the activities going on in the flats but you also create a lot of questions.

I don't think the repetition of "in the block of flats" enhances the poem and takes the reader away from the images you describe.

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I drink the first cup of tea
of the day, from my green cup,  [instead of repeating cup, you could say "green china"  Saying first cup, means you don't need to state "of the day"
Ave Maria plays on the radio,
outside, workmen in yellow jackets,
are building a new home for the poor,   
in the block of flats.<<is it only one home being built?  Is this an old block being redeveloped since "in the block of flats" seems to imply that there is a shell they are renovating.

You could rephrase slightly to say:

As I drink my first cup of tea,
out of green china,
Ave Maria is playing on the radio,
outside, men in yellow jackets
build new homes for the poor
in a block of flats.
 


There's an ice cream truck waits
and an angry old dog barks barking
in the block of flats,


I finish my tea and go outside,
where the strong sun stings my eyes,
in the block of flats,

I let the light shine
on my wounded body,  <<you introduce "my wounded body" without any further information, leaving the reader puzzled.  What has this got to do with the flats? You need to give a little more information.
and enter the world of roses   
in the block of flats,  <<why is the block a world of roses?  Surely if the council are building flats for the poor, they are done on the cheap with basic kitchen units etc, nothing fancy.

Where children play
games, and
dealers roam, in packs
in the block of flats,  <<Here you could expand to give a much stronger contrast with the children playing and the dealers.  Do dealers roam in packs?  I may be wrong but I would have thought they were solitary operators.  The only dealer I have any knowledge of, operated alone  from a flat in a block that was going to be refurbished

Where people are stacked
on shelves of concrete,  great image, perhaps "concrete shelves.  I've lived in a tower block (great views) but very much the feel of being in a box among lots of other boxes, stacked one on top of the other
in the block of flats,

Where I am a rose standing, and  <<why are you a rose?  What happened to the wounded body?  HOw did the MC move from being wounded to being a rose?
breathing
in the block of flats.


Hope something helps.  I look forward to seeing this develop and getting a clearer picture of the MC's connection to this block.

Have to say, I was in Dublin last summer and loved the city and the people.
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Re: In the block of flats
Reply #2 - May 9th, 2008 at 3:07pm
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pentagonia wrote on May 9th, 2008 at 2:59pm:
Hi Ren,
Yes in Dublin we call apartments 'flats' Smiley. You have giving me lots to think about. I am really looking forward to getting down to work on this poem now, thanks. Oh and I must tell you a strange thing happened, before I came in to read this I was just outside and there was a bunch of kids down in the block playing marbles, and then i came in and read this and you had said " The children playing marbles!!, ha, ha! cheers.


lolol  synchronicities. . . 

Looking forward to your revision.

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Re: In the block of flats
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Hi Ren,
Yes in Dublin we call apartments 'flats' Smiley. You have giving me lots to think about. I am really looking forward to getting down to work on this poem now, thanks. Oh and I must tell you a strange thing happened, before I came in to read this I was just outside and there was a bunch of kids down in the block playing marbles, and then i came in and read this and you had said " The children playing marbles!!, ha, ha! cheers.
  
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Re: In the block of flats
May 9th, 2008 at 12:26pm
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Hello Pentagonia. . .nice to see you here in The Firebox with an offering. . .

I drink the first cup of tea
of the day, from my green cup,
Ave Maria plays on the radio,
outside, workmen in yellow jackets,
are building a new home for the poor,
in the block of flats.

Color seems to play a part in this opening stanza. . .and perhaps in more subtle ways throughout the work.  Tea. ..brings to mind many things. . .it associates itself with a more calming atmosphere, eastern philosophies, spirituality. . .then the cup is green. . .which is an earthy, growth-oriented, abundant color (interesting as we later find the neighborhood we are in).  The yellow jackets of the workman bring in the sun in the building of a new home. . .when you refer to flats I am reading "apartments" as we Americans would say. . .and also the use of Ave Maria. . .brings in a religious/spiritual bent -- this is all inner, inside the flat, inside the person drinking the tea. . .until they step outside. . .

I drink the first cup of tea for the day
from my green cup,
Ave Maria plays on the radio --
outside, workmen in yellow jackets,
are building a new home for the poor,
in the block of flats.

Above are some possible suggestions. . .after radio. . .it feels as if we need a stronger break, thus the dash. . .

now to address in the block of flats -- I completely understand the use of repetition within a poem. . .to a certain extent. . .have used it myself. . .and while I can see why you might want to repeat that line, I do not feel as if it is necessary after each stanza, whatever the length.  It almost begins to have the opposite effect. . .rather than emphasizing the line. . .it becomes an nuisance for the reader. . .



There's an ice cream truck 
and an angry old dog barking 
in the block of flats,

As we're still inside. . .and seeing things from the N's viewpoint. . .you may wish to utilize that in the above. . .and also possibly draw in some auditory.

I hear the tinned song of an ice-cream truck

or if it cannot be heard over the sound of the workmen. . .that could be utilized as well. . .

There is an ice-cream truck down the street,
it's tinned song drowned
by the jackhammer and the back-hoe;
an angry, old dog barks
silent in its chase of moving wheels.

in this way we begin to expand on the visuals. . .paint a more vivid picture of the neighborhood of the block of flats. . .which could be removed from this stanza.


I finish my tea and go outside, 
where the strong sun stings my eyes,
in the block of flats,

What dos that strong sun represent. . .you need not "spell it out" if you would rather not. . .but perhaps expand the visual some more.

I finish my tea, go outside
to where the strong sun stings my eyes,
highlights the children playing marbles
in the gutter, shoes on or off,
no shoes at all
in the block of flats.

Again. . .examples of how the visual can be expanded and from those visuals we can draw so much subjectively. . .while you can put so much in objectively. . .


I let the light shine
on my wounded body,
and enter the world of roses
in the block of flats,

Wounded -- there is no previous indication of wounding. . .and nothing referred to after that line -- must have had a reason to put it in. . .perhaps you'd like to let your readers in on it?  *smile*  That light shining refers back to the sun. . .but I have a suspicion that you want it to be more than just the sun.  . .again. . .expand that, paint a more intense picture of both the light and the wounded body. . .and a little inkling into why the block of flats allows one to enter the world of roses. . .what is "special" about that world?

Where children play
games, and
dealers roam, in packs
in the block of flats,

Roses. . .carry so many meanings. . .none of them having to do with drug dealers. . .which is implied. . .though not directly stated. . .oh, do I want to see a picture of those children. . .their plight, what are the costs of those games?

Where people are stacked
on shelves of concrete,
in the block of flats,

How is this any different from any other area where people live in flats stacked on concrete slab after slab raising upward?   I also get the image of some European cemeteries. . .where the bodies are interred in "boxes". . .above ground rising upward.

Where I am a rose standing, and
breathing
in the block of flats.

Truly. . .you need to give us more on the rose. . .some more visual, imagery, metaphor that can bring us to a clearer reason as to why this wounded person who listens to Ave Maria and drinks tea is a rose. . .why is it significant that he is breathing in the block of flats? I have my own conjecture. . .and will take it where I want it to go. . .but many of your readers will simply throw up their hands and say "I don't get it". . .

Interesting work -- looking forward to watching it evolve. . .

Ren

   
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