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Reply #12 - Apr 23rd, 2011 at 6:50pm
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Don't let this one drift...it is too good!
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 3:25am
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Paul,

First I'd like to say that I think this poem should get a breather for workshopping.
I'd also like to say that I see in the originally posted version that I misread
"tattered people rags flap" as, I think, a hyphen would have cleared up the confusion,
"tattered people-rags flap" (adjective, hyphenated, compound noun, verb).
In hindsight, I like the original direction of that line better; which is why I say
this could probably use a break.

I'm not sure in S2 if enjoy and feast are required in the same sentence.
Feast implies enjoyment, but it's so much stronger. Consider...(italicized
for ease of reading with so much text)



I, still and intent, let the wind and salt
feast on the flesh left
exposed
as I stand on a primeval carpet
of crushed shells.



Again, that's a redraft not to prove who's the better poet, but to illustrate
a possibility of direction. Let exposed, be..well, exposed to work for both the I
and the carpet. Plus, to my ears, flesh left sets up suit for everything else,
like the skeletal hulk, rags of humanity, and the escarpment to aid in the telling
of this disintegration, graveyard imagery.

Here's one more radical option for S4 and 5. Consider this...(also italicized for ease)



Tattered rags of humanity flap around the shore,
like all the dead summers frayed flags
wind ravaged

and stripped. High above my head the escarpment
is crumbling and its restless ossuary
of mortified lees casts
down a leviathan....



The lowering of 'and stripped' now does double duty
for both the flags directly and inferring the escarpment. Plus,
casts//down is a neat trick I like to use occasionally.


Lastly, I suggest cutting thermic presage at the end of S4, I'm
not sure that's really helping the scene. Again, that's my read.
Hope this return helps, remember the curvature of the mirror
held to this poem is mine. Good luck sir.

Namasté,
~Tim
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Reply #10 - Feb 25th, 2011 at 9:02pm
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Both you and Tim as well as Braincloud hit a string inside me for complexity, word choice, tone, depth, beauty that reaches a level as to inspire a stone to feel...
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Reply #9 - Feb 25th, 2011 at 8:34pm
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I am always beyond flattered that you are inspired to bend and meld these words into your own shape
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 25th, 2011 at 12:27pm
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Re-tweek  Cheesy
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 25th, 2011 at 4:53am
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I agree with removing a speaker in favor of a picture, envious to have seen...a scene your poem gave to me--THX paul-your writing is also enviable
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Reply #6 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 8:55pm
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Rejigged..not yet complete I think...but the dawgs are gawn
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:24pm
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I am always very worried about repeating myself...I have previously had "A surly choir of parson robed crows huddle noisily, a raucous chorus" in another poem (I blame my English teacher from way back and her obsession with Ted Hughes for all this) but see what you are saying. My chorus should be more sombre perhaps, notwithstanding that the gulls always sound like they are mocking. Tricky this transfer of narrative to the poetic isn't it  Cheesy
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 5:46pm
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Paul Sands wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:50pm:

The gormless was deliberate, more for the way dogs go bit soft in the head when playing together in water Smiley

"deep throated glee club" a choir of rock inhabiting seagulls



Hi Paul,

You do capture the pastoral, natural environments with the capacity to evoke
such lovely imagery. But the poem...

Reading this thrice, I was wondering if the N need to be in the poem at all?
Could the reader be given the scene and its majesty with just an impartial
narrator, since the current N seems to be peaceful to begin with.
In other words: while the part with the N in it shows his/her peacefulness
aptly, there's no discovery related to the reader about the N, nothing
for us to take from his/her presence there, but the scenery, that's different...

I, too, like feathery comments as the white caps and the opening line
is lovely with the break on white before the noun is solid.
While it can certainly look like horses galloping onto the beach
(I see that) there's a mixing of symbols that's a tad startling for me
and takes me out of the poem I don't thing the poem intends. 
One moment, feathery comets, the next there horses without
the transition expressed for the reader (and that's by way of 
armada, which I think would be--in part--concomitant). 
Yet, I would like to see horses formed out of comets if that were possible 
(in the poem, not in real life---I can just go to Lake Superior for that image).

The bit about 'gormless', I would argue is not what this poem is saying.
By applying that modifier to the noun (dog) the poem tells us the dogs
are intrinsically gormless, when in reality, the gormless is an adverb
which should be applied to their actions. However, I'm still not sure 
about that word either. The dogs are playing with abandonment, no?
It allows for stupidity and clumsiness to enter the picture, but...

My next concern is "deep throated glee club". That line appears out of nowhere
with no anchoring for the reader as to what the poem really means.
I've spent time along the North Shore, plus Mpls. has lakes that attract
gulls, but I only guessed at birds and was again pulled out of the experience
of the poem when that line popped up. I'm not concerned about the poem's
word choice, but rather its very tenuous connection to the whole.
If it has to be explained in thread, that may be a sign. I, too, am a townie
and townies will be some of those reading this piece.

What are the threadbare promises?

in the last stanza with the introduction of the people along the beach,
I think of "Sailing to Byzantium" by
Yeats in S2 when he writes


An aged man is but a paltry thing,
A tattered coat upon a stick, unless
Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing
For every tatter in its mortal dress,



And I would add that the nigh-anthropomorphic detail of the boat
starts playing in that field, so the leap isn't so far away. That's strong.

It should be noted for the record that "carpet of crushed shells",
"...into a graphite sky, pricked with white//feathered comets skimming",
and "bow to the waves//proud and trimmed true"

I think "even in death" could be removed to strengthen that stanza;
however, I also see that this place is a type of graveyard for its inhabitants,
which makes the glee club image even more contrasting and strongly out of
place. Consider addressing that strange contradiction, briefly. Actual 
graveyards get crows who are dressed like traditional undertakers, fitting,
while this place gets cheerleaders. Not fair, nor is it right.

Much to consider in this poem, and I withdraw some of my peacefulness,
because its peaceful in seemingly a kind of death. One that doesn't quite
come through, if I'm reading the emotion of the words right.

Okay, I've rambled on enough. I'm off to school.

Namasté,
~Tim
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 1:01pm
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"deep throated glee club" a choir of rock inhabiting seagulls


thanks for the explanation.  I'm such a townie and you don't see many rock inhabiting seagulls in London Smiley
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:50pm
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Not over happy with the last stanza myself...was really just writing what was around me. The gormless was deliberate, more for the way dogs go bit soft in the head when playing together in water Smiley

"deep throated glee club" a choir of rock inhabiting seagulls
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Reply #1 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:37pm
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Some wonderful images as usual that paint a vivid picture, love the feathered comets.  It did feel as if the whole needs to come back to the MC and some deeper thought process rather than just ending on the dogs splashing in the water, but maybe that's just me being greedy.

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Staring into a graphite sky, pricked with white
feathered comets skimming the wavetops
and a concomitant armada
riding the rolling horses foaming
toward the strand,


I know that on the horizon the sky meets the sea but it felt a bit too much with "skimming the wavetops".  I love the image of the sky pricked with feathered comets and also the armada riding rolling horses but wanted time to enjoy each image separately.


I, still and intent, let the wind and salt enjoy
an astringent feast on the flesh that  <<maybe an astrigent feast on exposed flesh as I stand.....
I leave exposed
as I stand on a millennial carpet <<love the carpet of crushed shells
of crushed shells

Besides me lays a skeletal hulk with rusted coat, <<beside me lies
draped with weed, fast with limpet buttons,
bow to the waves
proud and trimmed true
even in death.

The cliff face crumbling high above my head,
blanched host to a deep throated glee club,  <<I didn't understand the deep throated glee club
casts down
its latest island sized
chalky exudate

Tattered people rags flap around the shore,  <<tattered people rags? I think I understand what you are trying to say but it doesn't quite get ther?
like the frayed flags and threadbare promises
of seasons past,
while they watch their gormless dogs  <<I have an ardent dog-lover friend who might take objection to dogs being called gormless and say it's their owners who are the gormless ones.  Seriously though, do you need to qualify dogs at all?
run, roll and splash
  
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Feb 23rd, 2011 at 11:37pm
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Staring into a graphite sky, pricked with white 
feathered comets skimming the wavetops
and a concomitant armada 
riding the rolling horses foaming 
toward the strand,

I, still and intent, let the wind and salt enjoy
an astringent feast on the flesh that 
I leave exposed
as I stand on a primeval carpet 
of crushed shells

Besides me lies a skeletal hulk with rusted coat,
draped with weed, fast with limpet buttons,
bow to the waves
proud and trimmed true
even in death.

Tattered rags of humanity flap around the shore,
like all the dead summers frayed flags
wind ravaged
and stripped of any
thermic presage

High above my head the escarpment is crumbling
and its restless ossuary of mortified lees
casts down
a leviathan of 
chalky exudate

the downfall from an unremitting disintegration
in our less than managed retreat from a land 
secure underfoot
to ancient seabed
restored

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Staring into a graphite sky, pricked with white 
feathered comets skimming the wavetops
and a concomitant armada 
riding the rolling horses foaming 
toward the strand,

I, still and intent, let the wind and salt enjoy
an astringent feast on the flesh that 
I leave exposed
as I stand on a millennial carpet 
of crushed shells

Besides me lies a skeletal hulk with rusted coat,
draped with weed, fast with limpet buttons,
bow to the waves
proud and trimmed true
even in death.

The cliff face crumbling high above my head,
blanched host to a hearty throated glee club,
casts down
its latest island sized
chalky exudate

Tattered people rags flap around the shore,
like the frayed flags and threadbare promises
of seasons past,
while they watch their gormless dogs 
run, roll and splash
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