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Reply #16 - Feb 9th, 2026 at 3:23pm
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Bumping this up in case someone wants to visit PoemTraion after all these years??
  
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Reply #15 - May 17th, 2008 at 10:21pm
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Hi Diane,

>D> No problem. I think your suggestions are still useful, regardless. It helps to know how things are viewed from the reader's perspective also.

Thanks Smiley

>D> PS I did forget to clarify, shiner is also a black eye here. Sorry for my oversight.

Grin

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Reply #14 - May 17th, 2008 at 10:15pm
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Prosaic,

No problem. I think your suggestions are still useful, regardless. It helps to know how things are viewed from the reader's perspective also.

Diane

PS I did forget to clarify, shiner is also a black eye here. Sorry for my oversight.
  
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Reply #13 - May 17th, 2008 at 6:48pm
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Hi Diane,

No problem... I hope you have more free time soon.

Best wishes,

p.

PS: e your reply to Nas: I assumed the poem was about partner-abuse, rather than child-abuse. My crit as based upon that premise. Sorry!
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Reply #12 - May 17th, 2008 at 5:54pm
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Prosaic,

Thank you for reading. As always, your comments and suggestions are much appreciated and helpful in the revision process. It has been a pretty hectic week and put me behind on everything. Each time I have attempted to get caught up here on the train I find it is running unusually slow, not sure why, but I run out of time before accomplishing very much. I will be working on a revision as I get caught up with everything.

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Reply #11 - May 17th, 2008 at 5:44pm
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Hi Melody,

Your suggestion is a useful one. Thanks.

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Reply #10 - May 17th, 2008 at 5:41pm
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Hi Patrice,

Thanks for reading. I will let you know when a revision has been posted.

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Reply #9 - May 17th, 2008 at 5:40pm
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Hi Daniel,

Thanks for stopping in. I am looking forward to putting the suggestions offered for this one to good use. 

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Reply #8 - May 17th, 2008 at 5:37pm
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Hi Cyn,

I appreciate your commetns and suggestions. I knew this needed some work and was hoping to get some input towards getting it there. I agree with your thoughts, and will be using them to make revisions to this one.

Diane

  
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Reply #7 - May 17th, 2008 at 5:31pm
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Nas, Sorry for being delayed. It's been hectic this past week and any time I had a moment to spare the train seemed to crawl and I havent made much headway in catching up, but I appreciate your comments tremendously.

nas wrote on May 9th, 2008 at 7:06pm:
Hi Diane

I really like the metaphor of the jewel in a stone, it is a great one to use.  I'm not sure if I'm grasping what your intention is but I see a person who is battered and abused by another but from that something beautiful emerges. Thanks. This is about child abuse, hope that clarifies.

There was another interpretation that crossed my mind but it didn't really fit (well certainly not with the ethos of PT) and that is the process of workshopping to produce a gem of a poem from something a little rough but I'm unsure of which you intend or are you trying to go for both? That would have been a good idea as well, and it did cross my mind but wasnt my intentions here.


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A bequest upon your gift <<this first line confuses me.  A bequest is something given to someone in a will and I'm not sure how it connects to a gift of nature and God. I found the definition of bequest to be a bit less specific and included something we pass on - often times abuse is passed on from one generation to another and that was what I was trying to imply here
from nature and from God,
a gemstone placed into your hands.  <<If my first interpretation is your intention then I feel you're telling the reader too early that it is a gemstone and taking away some of the impact of a beautiful object emerging at the end. I couldnt refer to a baby as a rock it just didnt seem...??? One of the reasons I posted this is because I had some confusion with how to say it, though I know what I wanted to say. I was hoping to get some good suggestions to help improve and clarify.

Your process is rough, <<as you say later "you treat your gem with harshness and abrasives, I'm not sure you need this line
tossing and tumbling to perfection, <<trying to force perfection??? One reason is I was trying to emphasize the mistreatment and then there are many stages in the process of gems.
as you treat your precious gem
with harshness and abrasives. 

Bringing forth a shiner  <<shiner as slang for black eye?? Ok, I intended to write shine here, but had shiner in the back of my mind - it slipped in unconciously
of obsidian and amethyst,
the friction often overlooked
as raw jewel is battered and abused,
made to pay your dues,  <<I don't understand what you mean by "made to pay your dues" and I'm unsure of the importance of friction being overlooked.   Many people turn their heads to children being abused, no one gives a thought to the rocks either it is for their own selfish needs...make more sense?

until something beautiful emerges –
that reflects back on you.  <<  This line seems to say to "the beauty reflects on you" ie makes you look good as if you've achieved something.  Often with abuse it reflects back on them, the children often carry the pain and scars physically and emotionally but at some point they put it back where it rightfully belongs -- or we hope they do

I'm tired and not thinking very well tonight so if I've got this all wrong, I apologise.
Sorry if I stressed your mind with this one...should have included some helpful background of what I was trying for with this. 

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Reply #6 - May 16th, 2008 at 8:40am
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Hi Diane,

A few ideas. As always, I have not read your other critters and I may well destroy any meter which you have employed. {-}[+](Comments)


Precious Gems

A bequest upon your gift 

(Sorry Diane, the syntax has me stumped here - don't understand).

from nature and from God,
a gemstone placed into your hands.

{Your process is rough,} [Roughly processed:]
tossing and tumbling to perfection,
as you treat your precious gem
with harshness and abrasives.

(The opening and closing lines of this verse are tautological. But the problem, more than repetition is that it implies the verse has not progressed from start to finish).

Bringing forth a shiner

(LOL - This must be another of those US/UK cultural things! Here "A shiner" means a black eye (surround) - often caused by a punch). (NB After reading Nas's crit: if you do mean black-eye, I can see it fits the meaning of the poem but I think it undermines the language).

of obsidian and amethyst,
the friction often overlooked
as raw jewel is battered and abused,
made to pay your dues,

(This is very clever - showing how such perfection is achieved by such violence - excellent thoughts)

until something beautiful emerges – 
that reflects {back} on you.


Inspired by something I read on PT, I have been working on this one for a bit...appreciate any ideas and suggestions for improvements. 

Here are my suggestions, plus any others not mentioned above:


Precious Gems

A bequest from God's nature:
a gemstone placed in your hands.

You process it roughly:
abrasively tossing and tumbling,
to perfect [i]your[/i] precious gem.

Bringing forth lustre
from obsidian and amethyst;
whilst unaware of
their battered abuse,
made to pay [i]your[/i] dues.

Something proud emerges
from your honed gem - 
[i]your[/i] reflection.


I hope my suggestions are not too radical - but, anyway, they are, of course, only a few suggestions.

A great metaphor Diane - very well done.

Thanks for the read.

p.

PS Diane - I have (subsequent to posting the above) now read your other crits. I agree about over-using "your" - if you agree, then the two options are to either rid some instances or make something important of the word. I opted for the latter - your (!) choices.

Cheerio, p.
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Reply #5 - May 15th, 2008 at 12:03am
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A nice poem, but I'm wondering if you could reword some of it get rid of the overused "your"
The words in italics are my suggestions.

A bequest upon your gift 
from nature and from God,
a gemstone placed in trembling/gleeful/curious...an adjective to replace "your" hands.

The process is rough,
tossing and tumbling to perfection,
as you treat that precious gem
with harshness and abrasives.

Bringing forth a shiner 
of obsidian and amethyst,
the friction often overlooked
as raw jewel is battered and abused,
made to pay your dues,

until something beautiful emerges – 
that reflects back on you.

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Reply #4 - May 9th, 2008 at 7:59pm
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I started to respond to this and then went back and read the crits and Nas pretty much said what I was going to say..... so I'll wait for your revision

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Reply #3 - May 9th, 2008 at 7:48pm
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Greetings, Di...

I see that your raw rock is in the good hands of two excellent FV'ers, so I'll await your respone and any revision to see the direction in which you're taking this.  nas points to to possible metaphorical interpretations, and Cyn reminds about showing rather than telling, so I'll not pour in any further abrasives to confuse things; I'll be back later after the implied rough edges are knocked off and rounded some.

poLightly observing, Daniel Cool
  
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Reply #2 - May 9th, 2008 at 7:28pm
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Hi Diane
I like this little "gem"
I think you can help it shine even more if you use some language to show us the something beautiful that emerges instead of telling us that something beautiful emerges.

I might drop "your" there at "your gift"  since you use the word again pretty soon in "your hands". maybe "this" gift? Check out how many yours you use in this poem. And then there is the pentultimate "your". Too many me thinks, but fairly easy to solve.

Enjoying reading your work
Cyn

DianeEsk wrote on May 9th, 2008 at 4:24pm:
Precious Gems

A bequest upon your gift 
from nature and from God,
a gemstone placed into your hands.

Your process is rough,
tossing and tumbling to perfection,
as you treat your precious gem
with harshness and abrasives.

Bringing forth a shiner 
of obsidian and amethyst,
the friction often overlooked
as raw jewel is battered and abused,
made to pay your dues,

until something beautiful emerges – 
that reflects back on you.

Inspired by something I read on PT, I have been working on this one for a bit...appreciate any ideas and suggestions for improvements.

  
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