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Reply #8 - Jun 16th, 2007 at 11:24pm
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Dear God,
we have spoken
in Room one-eleven
but there's no writing on the wall
so far...


ploopin' Lightly, Daniel  8)
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 5th, 2007 at 1:23am
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bbe,

There are some fine suggestions in these critiques when you sit down for a revision.  I think Chaim made a good point about the looseness of the "come gather 'round" idea as if this is a campfire. If you are looking for the Hyde Park Speaker's Corner atmosphere, then I think you have to come at this sounding more like an evangelist "hawker" selling his wares....and keep it going throughout the poem.

I'll pass on the intyerpretation and concepts..I agree with some and take issue with others --- but I like the fact that you present them from a unique pov.

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Reply #6 - May 25th, 2007 at 4:31am
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Hello BBE,

What draws me most to the poem is the idea that Bible's creation (I mean writing, not the actual events immortalized within) seem to be created by lunatics. Or for that matter, the idea of a drunk building an ark to bring a 'sampling' of creation into it, for it's continuation.

I'm not sure that I buy why schizophrenia is involved with the Bible or the stories therein. The last part, the poem's message, is just dropped on us....without any really relative pov. If I were to guess, then this speaks on the prophets and the different manifestations, but I don't see the parallelism of someone in Room 111 and prophets. Could you trim this down and create some sort of linkage, so I undestand your point?

Sequels have been made even as recent as the 1800's. Sure there was persecution, but the faith in these religions persisted (i.e. Ba'hai Religion out of Islam).

Help me, help you. lol.

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Reply #5 - May 17th, 2007 at 5:35pm
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Thank you everyone for your thoughts!!! I'm sorry I havn't been able to get on the site again sooner and make some more comments. I was a little afraid to even attempt this poem because it definitely contains contraversial issues. I'm glad Daniel that you thought it is bad to label people as their disiease on not them themselves. I was attempting to show how often and easily people do label people with mental disorders and that we still know practically nothing about mental illnesses at all, the same way we practically know nothing about the bible being written. I mean I have read evidence upon evidince about how the bible was written but I can't help but recognize that history and word of mouth gets skewed big time over years. 
I definitely want to revise some deatails, thank you everyone! Smiley
  
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Reply #4 - May 16th, 2007 at 10:32am
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Hi Amy,

Good poem!

Just my suggestions. Take them or leave them.

You can make your stanza's tighter.
For example, in the first stanza you don't need "come and gather round". Just start with "You are about to witness..." You use the word "me" often, which is monotonous, unless it is deliberate. If so, maybe you can emphasize the word more by putting it in italics or caps.

come, touched, blessed - you could eliminate "touch", come and blessed...

In the second stanza, I would eliminate the first line, "God has chosen me" and start with "It is time..."

In the third stanza, I would change, "her who I have chosen" to  "her, my chosen one."

In the fourth stanza, You don't need "now" after "time for lunch". There are two nows in this stanza. I would suggest finding another rhyming word instead of repeating the same word twice.

In the fifth stanza, maybe change the first line from "fallible human words" to fallible words or human words.

In the same stanza, I would change "with no lying tongue" to "and I'm not lying".

Instead of "Here's the book I have written" I would change to "Here's the written book".

I would eliminate "my hand was grabbed by the lord and forced on these pages". 

In the sixth stanza, change book to bible.

In the seventh stanza, change merely mortal human to mere mortal. also you use wrong twice in this stanza. It would be better to find another rhyming word and not repeat the same word.

Thanks for the enjoyable read.

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Reply #3 - May 15th, 2007 at 11:21pm
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I couldn't agree more with the observations and suggestions you've gotten so far... in fact nas has been VERY thorough!

Only one small suggestion regarding ANY person with a mental illness (or in fact any kind of mental or physical disorder or malady)... 

I think you'll find it much more sensitive to not CALL them their disorder (as though they are IT), but to indicate that they HAVE the disorder...

thus this is a person with schizophrenia, or who has schizophrenia.

The sensitivity, again, is that the person is not their disorder.  That MAY seem nit-picky... but if you put on their shoes, you'd find it NOT to be.

I'm not SCOLDING anyone, by the way.  I'm offering a didactic suggestion.

Love in Light, Daniel  8)
  
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Reply #2 - May 14th, 2007 at 2:19am
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Quote:
Come and gather round, for
you are about to witness my great gift.
given to me by God,
God has come and touched me,
blessed me, and through my words is God himself.

For some intangible reason the repetitions and the way you've broken the lines up here really work well to suggest the speech of the schizophrenic.

God has chosen me,
“it is time,” he says, to let all you hear again
I'd reverse the word order here to 'all you', or even 'y'all'

the words we are forgetting.
It is time to relearn, it is time for rebirth.

If I wrote down right here and now
words that come to me from God
would you read it?
Would you believe me?
God says, “believe, have faith in
her who I have chosen.”

I am in room 111 and it’s twelve O’clock.
Time for lunch now,
Henry counts 1...2...3, 1...2...3.
Deborah picks up phones,
she says “no Robert isn’t here right now,”
and Robert blows his nose.

Have faith in my fallible human words!
I am saying with no lying
tongue that I have seen the almighty
and he has spoke to me.
Capitalise - 'Almighty' and 'He'

Here is the book I have written -
my hand was grabbed by the lord and
forced on these pages.

Why do you keep me here,
room 111?
Do you not already have one book
from dear God?
Why not take the sequel?

You say a merely mortal human could
never speak with God,
you say my head is wired wrong,
chemicals run through veins of brains
right, in others wrong.

last couple of lines feel awkward, but that could be the idea...

You say you will never have faith
in the book written by a
crazy at the schizophrenic zoo.
But you don’t even know it,
you already do.

last stanza here is the strongest.


Thanks for the read,

Holly.
  
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Reply #1 - May 12th, 2007 at 7:16am
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Hi Amy

I like the way you set out the delusional behaviour of a schizophrenic and the question to put in the reader's mind at the end - something I have pondered myself.  If Jesus were around today, how would we react to him - declare him insane and pump him full of drugs or believe he is the son of God.  Good question.

A few thoughts - take or leave as you wish

I would put the speech part in italics.

Quote:
Come and gather round, for
you are about to witness my a great gift.
given to me by God,
God has come and He has touched me,
blessed me, and through my words is these words are from God himself.
 
God has chosen me,
“it is time,” he says, to let all you hear again
the words we are forgetting.
It is time to relearn, it is time for rebirth.
 
If I wrote down right here and now
words that come to me from God
would you read it?
Would you believe me?
God says, “believe, have faith in
her who I have chosen.”
 
I am in room 111 and it’s twelve O’clock.
Time for lunch now,
Henry counts 1...2...3, 1...2...3.
Deborah picks up phones,
she says “no Robert isn’t here right now,”
and Robert blows his nose.
 
Have faith in my fallible human words!
I am saying with no lying  <<perhaps "I swear with no lying tongue
tongue that I have seen the almighty  <<<capital A on Almighty
and he has spoken to me.
Here is the book I have written -
my hand was grabbed by the lord and  <<capital L for Lord.  Grabbed doesn't feel quite the right word to use.  Perhaps "seized"
forced on these pages.
 
Why do you keep me here,
room 111?
Do you not already have one book
from dear God?
Why not take the sequel?
 
You say a merely mortal human could
never speak with God,
you say my head is wired wrong,
chemicals run through veins of brains
right, in others wrong.
 
You say you will never have faith
in the book written by a
crazy at the schizophrenic zoo.
But you don’t even know it,
you already do.
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May 11th, 2007 at 7:07am
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Come and gather round, for
you are about to witness my great gift.
given to me by God,
God has come and touched me,
blessed me, and through my words is God himself.

God has chosen me,
“it is time,” he says, to let all you hear again
the words we are forgetting.
It is time to relearn, it is time for rebirth.

If I wrote down right here and now
words that come to me from God
would you read it?
Would you believe me?
God says, “believe, have faith in
her who I have chosen.”

I am in room 111 and it’s twelve O’clock.
Time for lunch now,
Henry counts 1...2...3, 1...2...3.
Deborah picks up phones,
she says “no Robert isn’t here right now,”
and Robert blows his nose.

Have faith in my fallible human words!
I am saying with no lying
tongue that I have seen the almighty
and he has spoke to me.
Here is the book I have written -
my hand was grabbed by the lord and
forced on these pages.

Why do you keep me here,
room 111?
Do you not already have one book
from dear God?
Why not take the sequel?

You say a merely mortal human could
never speak with God,
you say my head is wired wrong,
chemicals run through veins of brains
right, in others wrong.

You say you will never have faith
in the book written by a
crazy at the schizophrenic zoo.
But you don’t even know it,
you already do.
  
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