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Re: TAKE ONLY THAT WHICH COMES
Reply #8 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 6:28am
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All right, Adam. I spent the last hour writing this because you said it didn't mattter how many stanzas there were in a viator. Stop saying things like that!

TAKE ONLY THAT WHICH COMES

Take only that which comes when it may come.
Seek not to push too hard upon your Muse.
Accept that not each verse will be a plum 
or any sort of gem that you can use.
For there will be some times when every crumb 
of everything you write seems to confuse.

The hardest thing for me to learn was just
take only that which comes when it may come.
It took awhile for me to learn to trust 
the well that I took inspiration from 
and accept that sometimes it’s a bust, 
that everything I write just seems so dumb.

Now and then the prospects seem so glum
that I forget to take my own advice.
“Take only that which comes when it may come.”
I push and prod to make it all precise
when I’d be better served by keeping mum.
And every time I do I pay the price.

So I am forced to scrap what I’ve composed, 
to recognize that what I wrote is rum 
and bring to mind the rule that I’ve proposed:
“Take only that which comes when it may come.”
Then with my battered vanity exposed 
I can come full circle and succumb

to that little phrase, that Rule of Thumb 
that guides me such that when I’ve gotten through
I wind up with a piece that’s got some hum,
that makes me happy I decided to
take only that which comes when it may come.
A lesson that was long, long overdue.

If you should want perfection in each line,
I don’t think I’m the proper source, old chum,
for sage advice to help your musings shine.
But if you want to write more than just “…um…”
remember these few words and you’ll be fine:
take only that which comes when it may come.

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Re: Viator
Reply #7 - Nov 15th, 2008 at 4:06am
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Ahah! I found it, and even though it doesn't spell it out, you can tell from the definition here that the viator doesn't depend on a strict number of stanzas, only that the first line becomes the last.

Half way down the page here:
http://languageisavirus.com/poetry-guide/canadian_poetry.html

Here, half way down the page it says 'any stanzaic form':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_poetry

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Reply #6 - Nov 14th, 2008 at 9:22pm
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Thank you for sharing yours here, Adam... and for the further discussion!

It's my impression that the form didn't exactly take off during his time or since, so I should think we might do whatever we like with it.  But then I've been known to do anathema things to various poetic forms in my experimentation.

I personaly would have no difficulty with your writing a poem of 5 or 6 or 7 or 8.... +  lines so long as the line travels respectively between the cars and doesn't cause a derailment!

deLightedly, Daniel  Cool
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Re: Viator
Reply #5 - Nov 14th, 2008 at 4:59pm
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Thanks Daniel, for the invitation. Smiley

Hmmm... I thought I remembered the form with a little more flexibility than to have just four stanzas. I actually thought it cound be any length between two stanzas and two million, provided the number of lines in each stanza equalled the number of stanzas being used... though two million would be quite a challenge! Smiley Hmmm. Maybe I'm wrong? If I am, let's re-invent it; I've always liked the 5-line stanza myself, and am thinking of trying it with five stanzas. How about via'longe lateque for travel far and wide. (That's just a suggestion from an online latin dictionary.) That's if I'm wrong about the definition.

Here's the one I wrote for my I Am series:
I AM (Corruption)

I Am the water in your oil---
I sink a little deeper.
I might just with a texture spoil
the flow of your lamp-seeper.

I aid the shadow keeper---
I Am the water in your oil
that needs a dimness steeper,
—your light-supply to film and foil.

I Am the gloom in which you coil;
the calm you call a creeper.
I Am the water in your oil—
I shift the drifting sleeper.

I Am the sunless peeper;
the veiled one, breeding in your soil.
I smother out your weeper:
I Am the water in your oil.
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Reply #4 - Nov 14th, 2008 at 1:58am
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Thanks, Wayne.  Actually, literarius introduced this form to me from here.  I'd never noticed Scotty's posting this previously, so I just revised it a little after doing a little research.  You did a great job.  I hope literarius will post here too!

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Reply #3 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 11:30pm
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Haven't played with a new form in quite awhile. This was fun. Thanks to alien for the thread and Daniel for the nudge. This turned into my CA offering as well.

I DON’T NEED MUCH 

I don’t need much to get me by, 
a place to rest, a lover’s hand, 
a chance to dream, a cause to sigh, 
a warming sun, to understand,

a moon to see, a song to sing.
I don’t need much to get me by,
a child’s first step, a wedding ring
a Christmas snow, a wit that’s wry,

a coat that’s warm, rain in July,
a grandson’s touch, a soothing phrase.
I don’t need much to get me by,
An impish grin, crisp autumn days,

a puppy’s love, a book to read,
a goodnight kiss, a twinkled eye,
a friend to know, to plant a seed,
I don’t need much to get me by.

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Though Viator I Am
Reply #2 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 7:00pm
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Though Viator I Am

Though viator I am, you see
I travel neither land nor sea
but through the stanzas on a page
else his old fingers would assuage.

They'd write far more (twixt you and me);
though viator I am, you see,
he doesn't like to read too much
between the lines, but keep in touch

with what's been scribbled out before
lest he forget and drift offshore,
though viator.  I am, you see,
his safety-line, on the Q-T.

He's stingy, but he comes around;
it's 'cause o' me that he ain't drowned.
He never will a trav'ler be,
though viator.  I am, you see.

© MLee Dickens'son 13 Nov 2008
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Re: Viator
Reply #1 - Oct 31st, 2003 at 2:55am
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Very interesting; I'll have to experiment.
  
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This form was created by British-born Canadian poet and scholar Robin Skelton, the author of ‘The Shapes of Our Singing.’


Simply, it is a poem consisting usually of four stanzas in which the 1st line of the 1st stanza travels through the poem moving to the 2nd line in the 2nd stanza and so on until the poem's fourth stanza ends with the line with which the first began.   Viator is the Latin name for traveller.

Innocence

As she dreams of returning to innocence,
her daily commute on the rail begins.
She blends in with all the rest
while hiding behind the morning news.

The headlines scream war.
As she dreams of returning to innocence,
she sees a man knife another for a nickel bag.
One’s left dying – blood running red.

Slowly, she joins the throng 
disgorging through the chutes,
as she dreams of returning to innocence,
up the stairs, out into the light,

Many moles squinting into the sun;
they begin their choreographed dash,
resembling lemmings scuttling to the sea,
as she dreams of returning to innocence.


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